MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE WORLD TOURNAMENT COUNCIL HELD AT THE GOLDEN CROWN HOTEL, TIANJIN, CHINA
ON MONDAY AND FRIDAY 15 AND 19 AUGUST 2005
Bob Corson Chair and Region Pan Am
Jeffry Armstrong Region Pan Am
Peter Person Region Pan Am
Stefan Rauchenwald Region EAME
Candido Moz Region EAME
Gillian Hill Region EAME
Gavin Brain Region A A
Ron Fergusson Region A A
Murray Eade Region A A
Kyle Eade Representing the Athletes Commission
Jim Grew Observing, Chairman of the World Disabled Council
APOLOGIES for absence
Emma Sheers Athlete Commission
First Session – Monday 15th August – all present as per above list.
Bob advised the TC needs to finish at 4.30 pm in order to be ready for the Opening Ceremony.
A working lunch would be provided.
2 Driver discipline Action by USA Waterski
Jeffry advised this item concerned a Senior Driver called David Bebe. Mr Bebe has been charged by USA Waterski with unsportsmanlike conduct as shown by video proof. He has lost his rating for two years after which, if he wishes to continue competitive driving, he must start again at the bottom of the officials ladder.
Llewellyn/Krueger Jump Records from October 2004
This item partly arises from Agenda item 2 above.
Bob reported that in November 2004 both applications for records were received and as they were checked some basic anomalies became apparent. The check buoy did not measure up correctly so Bob sought second opinions. A re-survey of the course took quite some time to happen and afterwards there were still inconsistencies. USA Waterski, who became involved, withdrew the applications due to technical issues and also the entire results from the tournament. Bob, however, continued to pursue his investigations – specifically the resolution of the check buoy and boat speed issues. Further investigation reduced the distances of the submitted records – the one for Kreuger to below the existing record, but the Llewellyn distance was still a potential record.
When it came to the speed issues . Based on these findings Bob believed both records had be rejected. This was a very bad deal for the skiers involved. All the files are available for checking on CD and Bob and the TC members felt it important for us to be transparent in our decision making. After some further discussion it was unanimously agreed to reject both records.
All jump performances at the competition have also been removed from the rankings list.
A pending new record of 12370 points by Nicholas LeForestier had been submitted from the Losney Chaugey competition in France. Some doubt about the last trick in time and this needs checking from the official video by the TC members.
The approval of the record was still pending.
Parrish Record firstname.lastname@example.org
Bob reported that the end course video for the 10.25 m pass showed a boat path at buoy 6 which outside the deviation allowed by the rules. Unfortunately the TC had no choice but to refuse the record as the boat path is outside the deviation allowed. Agreed.
The centerline of the course is
currently defined as the
line from the middle of the entry gates to the middle of the exit gates. The TC believes this is the true centre line
and all measurements should be made around it.
4 SLALOM RULES
Smaller slalom buoys
Proposal from AWSA to make the skier buoys 20 cm minimum and 10 cm out of the water.
Unanimous decision to accept this proposal.
Rule 14.07 first line of para 3
It had been noted this rule reads “appointed judges” and should read “event judges”
The TC were of the opinion that it would be the Event Judges who would lower the start speed. Agreed to change this from “appointed judges” to “event judges”.
shortening the rope at the start
NZ has asked for skiers to be allowed to start at a shorter rope length with less than maximum speed – for example 52k 16m, then 55k 16m, then 58k 16m. Their suggestion was to be able to use this at the World Junior and Senior Championships.
The TC agreed there was no support for this change at World level.
Federations are free to choose their national policy.
5 GENERAL ITEMS
change of entries to Worlds conducted by email
Murray thought this issue was too important to have been decided by email. It was noted that the problem here was because there was no World TC meeting held in 2004.
There was general agreement within the TC that issues of this magnitude should be discussed face to face and not by email. The Council should try to meet once a year in future.
Seedings for World Championships with the additional skiers
Kyle Eade asked how we would be handling the issue of so many more top seeded skiers. At present there were no plans to change the existing rules which seeded by performance. The top two series run close together to give as similar as possible conditions.
The majority of the TC was not in favour of change at present.
Seedings would be done by performance and a random draw held within each series.
Numbers in Finals at age category World Championships
The TC agreed that to fix the number of 12 finalists in each event was probably too high for all Championships except the Open Worlds.
It was agreed that the following final round numbers would be used for all Championships except the Open Championships.
The number of skiers qualified to ski in the Final round of an event shall be as shown in the following table and will be announced immediately after the end of the Preliminary round of the event:
Number of skiers started in Preliminary round
Number of skiers in Finals
1 – 5
6 – 10
11 – 12
13 – 15
16 - 19
20 and more
Is 12 the right number in the final? Yes – no further changes there at present.
Perfect Pass and adjustment to Parameters
Dates of rule changes &
implementation with regard to Southern Hemisphere season
Wherever possible the rules should be finalized ready for the Southern Hemisphere start of season.
Starting speed of 55km @ 16m for boys events Already dealt with. a.
A serious look at readjustment or value of overall
Clarification on Rule
?. for setting Trick speed.
Rule 15.09 – the skier can change the speed at any time after the 50 m buoy and/or in the course at their own risk.
The skier must be given the speed he asks
for. If the wrong speed is
is a malfunction of the driver. If the
skier starts putting the speed up or down then he has the time in which
to do this.
1. Overall standard for
Women Slalom & Trick 1. Judge Equivalency 1. eliminate declared list
1. AAC Suggestions possibility of a introducing
an allowable miss of the gates on early passes T here
is no Athlete consensus on this suggestion. Part of the competition is to go through the
feeling to discuss this further. At least one away score mandatory on World Ranking
list (e.g. Top 30 competitors) either out of State or Country.
feeling that for the
performance based ranking list there c ould
be a requirement to have multi site scores.
By site we mean site, not lake. So the two scores must
come from different sites. Tie break
scores can come from any site.
Agreed. A code change will be
needed to include a site specific reference.
From November 2005.
and record International Drivers practise between events together with skier
feedback. The TC requested the AAC to give an indication on
how this can be implemented and monitored on an International basis.
tolerances - Something that has not been done since the introduction of Perfect
pass. There was a general
agreement to tighten the tolerances for slalom. Bob would prepare some charts for consideration, but there is a
definite wish to tighten up. The help
of Dave Clarke would be sought on this particular point. For jump it was felt
that the tolerances were not too wide, and that it is preferable for the CJ to
monitor the times carefully and take appropriate action. Recommend for a boat
judge to perform a middle of course check at least once per skier The TC feels the boat
judge can do little more than get a feel for the driving path. However, the end course video should be
checked from the tower and adjustments given to the driver from the tower. Dual Perfect Pass
display mandatory for record events.(It already is) - Add to homologation
dossier This is already a World
rule requirement. Bob will change the
homologation dossier to include a separate point on this.
Senior Ladies II Jump speed
- 51k mph
Suggestion from Dianne Kirby direct to Bob Corson. This suggestion to be studied further before a decision is made.
Lower jump for open women
A group of skiers are investigating this further and will report back to the TC.
If there is a fast second segment in jumping, the skier can improve his jump score – is this right.
Athlete input requested on this item.
1. New Tricks a. RT7B a. Leforestier - show
videos a. Here are videos for
inclusion of BFLSLBB , FFLB, and a back flip from B to B but with no spin Toe7BB – not accepted as a new trick – safety issue
with wrap BFLIPSLBB
– not accepted. Too similar to existing mobius just landing other side of the
line. FFLB – a new front flip which the TC are mostly
pleased to see. Agreed 850 points and
no reverse at present. This is a front
flip with a 180 turn to the back. A
different trick number. BFLIP
back to back no spin – not accepted.
Too similar to existing and side slide. 1. Boettcher gate camera This
is a 2.5 – 3 metre high camera from the boat that Olaf Boettcher believes is
sufficient to judge the gates without using gate cameras. Agreed that a further year of testing is
needed before general acceptance is given. 1. EAME Issues a. Specialist Judges
(EAME) At present EAME does not allow specialist judges at
International level. Also
they have no fast track for skiers. Requested that USA / Pan Am provide the other
regions with their training and examination system. Moved by JA that judges nominated for the World
Championships must be 3 event judges.
Agreed unanimously. a. Risky tricks are not
high enough points We need to have one proposal about tricks comes
from the AC to the WTC. Suggest that an analysis of the top 20 skier’s runs
is done, to find those tricks that are not being performed and that we would
like to see performed and then increase those values by x% to encourage
them. Kyle will take this issue back
to the AC. a. Set down time in Tricks
Set down time in Tricks is 30 seconds. If the skier
falls he gets approx. 1 minute 30 seconds, so to fall is an advantage. ▪ agreed to extend the set down time (no fall)
to longer (say) 45 seconds. ▪ the time to get ready after a fall remains
at 30 seconds. a. Tricks are best judged
from the boat video At
this stage there is not the technology worldwide to have all tricks videoed
from the boat. Ultimately
the new possibilities of boat video will lead to more accurate judging. At
the really major tournaments boat video is mostly used and can be fed to the
judges on the tower. The TC agreed that for L&R tournaments scores over
6000 women and 8500 men trick boat video will be mandatory from 1 st
November 2006. a. Choose one method of
judging slalom and use it for all events. The EAME diagrams will be put to the
World TC for ratification and publication. The EAME diagrams were circulated and consideration
on these issues will follow.
Do the IWSF rules allow skiers to
choose which boat / driver they ski behind? Rule 10.01 i) says clearly
identical boats shall be used for Slalom and for Jump. And, if so, for which tournaments? This needs
clarification at World TC level. It would seem that the event in question is one where
skiers can choose their boat from three provided. At present the only option for a choice of boats is
in tricks. Agreed no
change to the rules, however, an organizer can request to Bob Corson for special
authority to use two or more boats for slalom and jump, using the same
driver. One year until our next meeting.
Who beat who rankings list - how best to proceed? a.
What happens if a skier (or two) are in the wrong
Eliminate the need to start the trick run at the
must start buoy (for video recording) 1.
Clarify when the speed may be changed in a trick
run Already done 1.
Items from Ron Fergusson a.
Adopt American rule on slow time as per American
rule book 10.10 (b) 3 a.
Increase trick rest time after first pass to 45
seconds Already done - above a.
Because of the difficulty of seeing the trick start
buoys in video trick timing, do we need them any more. New suggested wording to
15.06. Skier must start in the approximate position of the start buoy. ( One
buoy only) a.
Horn is not necessary any more for tricks.
Emphasise rule where skier is able to request last trick in time. a.
Declared trick list, is it necessary any more. Item
9 your agenda. a.
Spectra rope. To avoid having to thread every rope
through the fitting and then onto the pole, could we not have the skiers supply
a shortened rope to fit onto a coupling attached to the fitting. 1.
Election of the Chairman Perfect Pass
developing their software, in some connection with the AWSA, but
certainly outside the IWSF influence. PP is
a company providing us with a product and
they have something of a monopoly . However, this does not give them
the right to provide a new component with out
first seeking approval of the IWSF who is the Governing Body for
the Sport. Bob has a plan:-
Require PP to give us radar plots of the current software with light weight skiers, heavy, etc.
If changes are needed PP to supply us with what they are doing and to ensure they are working within our required rules.
The TC believes the 8
are there to set up the boat for the tournament, not to change for individual
skiers. However, the skiers want the 8x settings to be
able to be changed by the skiers – by a percentage – as the weight of the skier
affects this setting.
The TC is concerned to be fair to all
skiers, heavy or light in weight, those who have trained with the 8
those who have not. Once again we are
faced with a situation where we may have to adjust the rules with no notice
because of changes made by PP outside of the rules. Vote on allow ing
Kyle had prepared a paper on this subject, in particular highlighting the importance of the trick event in overall, which in his opinion had led to less skiers taking part and starting to specialize.
overall is a
fictional event cobbled together from the three events.
As a short term fix we could consider not adding
the 24 buoys in slalom which would make each buoy worth more. This
is a complete disadvantage and should be dealt with shortly. Agreed by those present of the
TC to remove these buoys from overall scoring.
Active 1st November 2005.
applies to World Under 21 . For Juniors no addition
of 18 buoys.
Ultimately a placement based system may be
preferable in the long term – that could also be used for team scoring
purposes. Overall (and Team) at the World Championships Consider only overall
skiers receiving overall points . That means t eam points would be
different from individual overall. And try to include a method
for overall records – performance based
s Who ranking list
Candido said we have already agreed a skier should not be able to ski twice at his home site with his boat and his driver and be near the top of the world rankings list. We already agreed two sites are now necessary.
If we do the whole ranking list on a who beat who list, performances would become less important, and competitions would find their niche in terms of importance, or not.
Candido tabled a paper giving an outline of the concept. There is definitely an interest in some kind of change. The IWSF should have one list only.
One complaint against
is that the skiers do not seem to know what points they might get from a
competition until after they get there and see who is there. Also the absence of a number of skiers
directly affects the points available at the event.
In principle the World TC
wishes to adopt A who
beat who system . Agreed to ask Candido
update the latest lists and run a trial period to allow the TC to consider the
idea in depth at the next meeting.
Election of Chairman
Stefan proposed Bob Corson as Chairman of the
Reconvene Thursday morning 9 am. Declared tricks list General rule book Start of trick course ¾ buoy
Email had been received from Bob – copies of the
notification to the skiers whose records had been rejected.
Plus an answer from
Jaret concerning his disallowed jump record.
The TC members
are concerned about the
scrutiny of jump records as there may have been others with speed issues in the
past or future. Concern over the
conflicts in the rules, 11 ,02 calls
for constant speed, which we are all aware is not how PP is working. On this occasion it seems that the speed
control has been manipulated beyond the realms of the normal pattern of
Our only hope for the future is that Bob succeeds
in his negotiations with PP and that we can
have a clearer
understanding on what we wish.
g – it was noted that
at these World Championships that all event
in slalom was being done from the boat video – with only the
boat judge calling in after each pass.
The TC members would look at this situation when they go
out to the lake.
Bob had asked the TC to rediscuss the introduction of the change in overall slalom scoring. We did agree November 2005 but Bob is suggesting we consider November 2006 instead. The TC members present believed our original target of November 2005 should be adhered to.
Also noted that the existing World records should be re-evaluated with the new scoring system to set the benchmark for the future. Also there should be a note that scoring changed in November 2005.
Overall scoring standards
The TC agreed that in principle any benchmarks for overall records should be based around scores of overall skiers, not specialists.
Agreed to research the last two world championships
overall results and one regional championship from each region. Then take the top and second best score in
each event – men and women and add, say, 10% to it to form the bas
is. Gill to research
Jeffry said she has seen skiers lose a victory
missing out a trick. There are
advantages on speedy calculation – the
skiers mostly stick to their run. No change in rules.
Start of trick course – use of
buoys – boat video
Suggestion from AA to use one buoy only as the approximate start point for tricks.
Start in approx position – if they start too late they will run out of water!
Not agreed – no change in the rule.
Some feeling that a horn is no longer necessary as the end of course is determined by automatic video.
Mixed feelings but after discussion no change to
the rules. We interpret these rules to mean that the use of an
audible device is required. However, when video timing is used there is not
always a horn used. So we assume there is a
conflict between the rules. So agreed to add to 15.07
When automatic video timing is being used the use of an audible device is optional.
Spectra rope changing
Suggestion to have the skiers provide a
clip to change the rope in jump. Not found favour – no change
Guideline on how to add skiers in a series or to a
start list to maintain the random draw. See EAME interpretation. Adopt American rule on slow time. Rule 14.18 Agreed to add USA rules re missed time Missed
times – if the applicable segment time is missed the
skier may accept the highest scores with a good applicable segment time, or
receive an optional reride with a protected score equal to the highest score
with a good applicable segment time. Note if no times are recorded rule 8.02
applies. Also a new re-ride is needed for all buoy timing. Rule 15.11 1 review of the tape only is allowed under the
rules. If a judge requests a further review he/she should
be told to mark where they think they have lost it and hand in the sheet. ¾ buoy – there is already a safety issue in slalom where
skiers are waiting for the line to come tight and are nearly hitting the boat. On the other hand the difference between getting to
the wake with slack line is completely different from heading for the next
buoy. Agreed to put this to the skiers.
General Rule Book
is going to start
re-arranging the rule book into rules of the game and admin rules.
Ramp construction Skier concerns over the hardness of many new
ramps. They are being made without dampening
materials – and a combination of hard surface plus additional buoyancy are
making the ramp unmov e able. Jump switches – agreed
to ask Bob to speak to Eric Horton re testing jump switch tensions.
And that’s all for today folks!